*sigh* - I really wanted to like these--Eden is a good organic company from Michigan. But alas they were kind of gray and that just made them seem not that tasty..They made me miss my unhealthy regular durum wheat semolina pasta. Ho hum...In the meantime I found the only box of 100% whole wheat pasta in Kroger the other day and I actually liked it! Hooray. And I'm getting more used to cooking my greens without oil--either steaming or cooking them in vegetable broth.